Din Torah: Past, Present and Future

Beth Din- Din Torahיראה העם וישפוט

Why has there not been a [proper] Din Torah until this day and why I think there will [probably] never will be.

PAST:
This case was in middle of a Din Torah, Spritzer took it to court.
In court the original directors (Hershkops, Goldman and Heber), agreed to return this case to Bais Din, but Spritzer
repeatedly refused. All this has already been documented and discussed in Parshas Machne Menachem, (under: Who Is Making A Chillul Hashem?). Even back then, the original Directors agreed to go to a Zabla, but again Spritzer refused (Read Rabbi Hebers Letter to the judge and Spritzers Lawyer).

CURRENT:
TRYING TO HAVE THE LONG AWAITED DIN TORAH.

On the suggestion of the Crown Heights Bais Din, the original directors seek to have a Din Torah out of Crown Heights.
It was decided to go to the Bais Din Machon Lehoraya Monsey.

Update: Spritzer played the Monsey Bais Din for over a year. After a year of back and forth Spritzer makes a request for a Zabla. The Bais Din of Monsey does not deal with Zabla, so they suggest that the Din Torah take place with the Bais Yosef Bais Din (located in Boro-Park) who deal with Zabla. The Monsey Bais Din informed the MM directors that they will monitor the situation, if Spritzer plays his usual games, then they will come out with a Siruf against Spritzer. This all happened Tammuz time (5769). Since that time the Bais Din Bais Yosef has been avoiding the Din Torah. It has recently come to our attention from information coming out of the Bais Din itself, that its not for no reason the Din Torah has been delayed.

The reason they gave was that they had received information from “various parties” that the Hershkop family where involved in a criminal preceding were it would be proved that they are a violent gang and therefore the camp in any case can not go to them, making the argument that there is no need for a Din Torah. The case they were informed about was the now famous Shomrim Six case. What has been known to myself all along and now becoming more apparent is that many people (including Spritzer) were banking on the g-d forbid prosecution and conviction of 6 innocent Jews just to satisfy their own agendas. It’s also becoming very obvious (I personally didn’t need this prove to teach me this fact for as I stated, this is something I could have told you mouth ago), that this whole case from it’s conception had nothing to do with what happened (or did not happen) in 749 on the night of December 29,2007.  סוף מעשה במחשבה תחילה

Three  Hazmonoz were sent to Spritzer…

1 Kislev 5768

1 Kislev 5768

15 Kislev 5768

15 Kislev 5768

4 Tevet 5768

4 Tevet 5768

1 Sevat 5768- Warning of A Siruf

1 Sevat 5768- Warning of A Siruv

Spritzer (as usual) start his process of mocking the Bais Din

 28 Iyar 5768-  Din Torah over a Camp? What Camp?

28 Iyar 5768- Din Torah over a Camp? What Camp?

20 Sivan 5768- Spritzer stole the camp in a ligol way!

20 Sivan 5768- Spritzer stole the camp in a legal way!

 25 Tamuz 5768- Rally? What do you want from me?

25 Tamuz 5768- Really? What do you want from me?

2 av 5768

2 Av 5768

16 Elul 5768- I finally found out what "ZABLA" means!

16 Elul 5768- I finally found out what "ZABLA" means!

20 Elul 5768

20 Elul 5768

10 Kislev 5769- There you have it folks, Spritzer found another way to affoud true Justice (for now!)

10 Kislev 5769- There you have it folks, Spritzer found another way to avoid true Justice (for now!)

After all the above the original directors decided to play along with Spritzer little game. They approached Rabbi Schwei and requested that he be the Bais Din that Arbitrates this case. Remember Rabbi Schwei is Spritzers “Rav”.

25 Kislev 5769- Rabbi Schwei is said to be Spritzer Rav. Will he go to A Din Torah by his "own" Rav?

25 Kislev 5769- Rabbi Schwei is said to be Spritzer Rav. Will he go to A Din Torah by his "own" Rav?

5 Tevet 5769

5 Tevet 5769

13 Tevet 5769 - Lets get on with this!

13 Tevet 5769 - Lets get on with this!

At First Rabbi Schwei was more then happy to be the Bais Din in this case. Two weeks latter, Rabbi Schwei let it be known that he (after all) is not interested (and that the Original Directors should find a different Bais Din).

Your confused? Don’t be! Remember, Agenda first “Kavod Harobbonim” whenever convenient.

4 Shevat 5769

4 Shevat 5769

Another Day; another week; another month and perhaps even another year, how long will it take?
Will a man who is known not to listen to Rabbonim come to a Din Torah?

Will a man who is known to take all his disputes to a non-Jewish court, come to face true justice in front of a Bais Din?

Will a man who with no Shame had his own sister arrested (tied up), care enough to find out what Halacha (G-d almighty) has to say about all that he has done?

Related:

Psak Din[im] 5757/1997-5769/2008

6 Responses to Din Torah: Past, Present and Future

  1. moshe g says:

    for some reason you don’t mention that [Rabbi] segal and his group are also mesarvim ledin and even worse they are koifeh themselves on the tzibur wich they put themselves beniduy!

    MM input on the above comment: This comment is what is called propaganda. it is a bunch of random assertions and statements put in to two lines. NO DETAIL; NO EXPLANATIONS; NO FACTS; and NO PROOF, its just hot air etc…

  2. To moshe g:

    This is NOT about Rabbi Segal or anybody else, this is about a man by the name of Yankle Spritzer.

    This man Yankle Spritzer still no matter the situation above (which by the way has nothing to do with the Machne Menachem case), has to show up in a Din Torah.

    He should be thrilled to come, after all does he not want to know the truth, does he not want to clear his name?
    [After all hes being called a Ganev and all the other side wants is justice for ALL].

    For your next comment…
    If it has nothing to do with Machne Menachem, don’t write it here. For propaganda, you can go to chabad.info or D.H.
    Propaganda comments wont be approved here.

  3. Update says:

    …MOVING FORWARD….

  4. Rabbi Avraham Osdoba says:

    Transcript:

    Q. Let me ask you this. Under Rabbi
    Marlow 15, is it true or not that Rabbi Fisher
    asked the Bet Din of Crown Heights for permission
    to go to zabla Din Torah?

    A. [Rabbi Osdoba] Probably he did. The easiest thing
    to get out of a Din Torah, you ask a zabla.

    [From: Deposition of RABBI ABRAHAM OSDOBA,
    a non-party witness, taken by the Fisher
    Defendants pursuant to subpoena. December 18, 1996. Page 96].

  5. למה שיבוא לדין תורה ? אם הוא הפסיד בבית המשפט הפדרלי בגדול אז איזה סיכואי יש לו בבית הדין וכבובן ששווי התחמק מלעשות דין תורה כי יענקל דער גנב יצטרך לכתוב את הפסק דין בעצמו והרב שויי יצטרך לחתום וזה מעשה שהיה שהרב שויי חתם על מכתב מבלי שהיה לו שום מושג מהדין תורה לשאלתי באיזה חוצפה עשה זאות ? ענה הרב אוזדובר לחץ עליו אבל בעז”ה הבחור יעמוד לדין והאמת והצדק יתברר לעולם

  6. […] Machne Menachem case in an attempt to steal the camp.The Ganef and Mosser Yankle Spritzer has been pushing off a Din Torah for over two years now. The Mishichistim Mossrim enunciated the great blood libel on the Shomrim […]

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