Who Is…

…going to Chayolei Hamelech This Year?

Profile #2 Rabbi Gershon Avtzon

Rabbi Avtzon must learn to practice what he preaches!

Rabbi Avtzon must learn to practice what he preaches!

Yeshivas Lubavitch Cincinnati, under the directorship of Rabbi Gershon Avtzon, is pleased to announce that it will be returning this summer to Camp Chayolei Hamelech for the second consecutive summer. The program will be directed by Hatamim Menachem M. Friedman and the Yeshiva Staff and Shluchim. Talmidim interested in joining this special Yeshivah program should contact yeshivaskayitz@gmail.com or 347-581-7474. (chabad.info)

History:

Last year (5768) when it became known to the rightful owners of Machne Menachem that Rabbi Avtzon was [indeed] planning use the property that belongs to Machne Menachem, Reb Meir Hershkop contacted him to inquire on who gave him  permission.

Rabbi Avtzon replied that he knows about the Ikkul and he knows who Spritzer is etc… v’dal… And that he had asked Rabbi Osdoba and that Rabbi Osdoba had given him a Heter. Rabbi Hershkop insisted that, that can not be the case, for the Bais Din had come out with a Psak/Ikkul forbidding anybody from using this property until a proper Din Torah was to take place; (and besides which Rav can give permission to anybody to use or take somebody’s else  property?).

After a couple of phone calls back and forth, Rabbi Avtzon finally conceded that it was not he who asked the Rav but his father. (I see this is the common conclusion with those that claim they asked, it always ends the same, it’s never they who asked, and it’s always a friend). Reb Meir let him know that he is not being truthful.

spritzer and avzton machne menachem Chayolei Hamelech Rabbi Avtzon the suggested that he would not go to the camp unless he got a letter giving him Resush (permission). We are still waiting for that letter. He latter wrote in an e-mail that he would go, unless Machne Menachem provided him with a letter from Bais Din stating that he is NOT to go (?!). [After days of back and forth conversation with Reb Meir he has the Chutzpa to say that he is not the final say and that Meir should speak to one by the name of Rabbi Levin the director of the Yeshiva. Wow what a mentch!].

I must mention that all this took place two weeks before Shavuot. Reb Meir had taken the liberty to search for a place that Rabbi Avtzon (and his program) can go instead. Reb Meir found him a beautiful place; a better place and a cheaper etc… Rabbi Avtzon insisted that it was already too late (?!) and that he will be going nonetheless. Reb Meir asked him if he was to steal a car to shuttle his Talmidim to Mivtzyim, would he also claim he had no choice that it was late and he had to go.

Current:

Now, a year latter, Rabbi Avtzon still thinks it’s too late to find another place (?!)

The question now is:
Do the parents (of his Yeshiva) know about the Ikkul? When asked about it, what does Rabbi Avtzon tell them? If he’s telling them he has a Heter then he’s guilty of חוטא ומחטי את הרבים? How can a person like this consider himself a Mechanich/educator?

This letter was sent to Rabbi Avtzon

This letter was sent to Rabbi Avtzon

For the e-mail Rabbi Avzton sent Meir Hershkop Click Here

Letter to Yeshiva of Cincinnati

Letter to Yeshiva of Cincinnati

The Bais Din replied: First there has to be a Din Torah over who indeed own the camp.

The Bais Din replied: First there has to be a Din Torah over who indeed own the camp

G-d willing, when (or if ever) Mr. Spritzer  will decide to come to  a Din Torah and it is discovered that the camp (property) Halachically did always belong to Machne Menachem, then both Rabbi Oster and Rabbi Avtzon (and anybody else)  will be summoned to a Din Torah to pay for using Machne Menachem Property.

12 Responses to Who Is…

  1. “He latter wrote in an e-mail that he would go, unless Machne Menachem provided him with a letter from Bais Din stating that he is NOT to go (?!)”

    Now every time the Bais Din (any Bais Din) comes out with a Psak, they must write to every single person a personal Psak (with his name and address), otherwise it’s useless.

    “After days of back and forth conversation with Reb Meir he has the Chutzpa to say that he is not the final say and that Meir should speak to one by the name of Rabbi Levin the director of the Yeshiva.”

    After being put on the spot with no real excuse as to why he is doing something wrong, he throws the blame on to somebody else. How typical!

    “I must mention that all this took place two weeks before Shavuot. Reb Meir had taken the liberty to search for a place that Rabbi Avtzon (and his program) can go instead. Reb Meir found him a beautiful place; a better place and a cheaper etc…”

    Another (Yeshiva) group had reserved this place and backed out the last minute (they bought their own place), the owner of this property (that Hershkop was offering)was desperate. The place was already set up etc… and the owner was offering a very cheap price (as long as somebody will take it).

  2. antimesira says:

    for avtzon it has nothing to do with right or wrong, its all about his fake and false ideology.

    when it comes to their agenda, right and wrong doesn’t matter.

    they have out done the satan in confusing and brainwashing others.

  3. zalman says:

    “Reb Meir let him know that he is not being truthful.”

    say it how it was, give us some straight talk
    This is what he should have been told…

    I SEE YOU ARE LYING TO ME, EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS A LEI, YOU DON’T REALLY CARE ABOUT WHETHER THE CAMP WAS STOLEN, YOU DON’T CARE THAT THERE IS A IKKUL ETC…
    YOUR A LIER AND ITS A COMPLETE WAIST OF TIME TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU, YOU MUST BE DEFEATED!!!!!

    Rabbi Avtzon is what is called ‘GUILTY OF ASSOCIATION’!

  4. WHOEVER WISHES TO ERR... says:

    Reading the many disputes in the Torah can be, for many people, quite disheartening. The feeling that there is just one G-d, who is ultimately the Author of the entire Torah, both Written and Oral, can appear to be undermined by the vast array of Rabbinic disputes that we encounter.

    But the notion that the Torah could cause a person to sin, in any remote fashion, is simply not true. The Torah contains only good, and from good no evil can come. It is only that if the person reading the Torah harbors certain weaknesses in his appreciation of true monotheism, then those weaknesses can sometimes be exacerbated by the apparent image of disharmony in the Torah.

    Thus, our Sages taught, “Whoever wishes to err let him err!” (Bereishis Rabat) 8:8). The fact that the Torah might, on occasion, be misleading did not lead G-d to omit the potentially confusing passages because, ultimately, we are speaking of someone who wishes to err. I.e. the person has a vested interest in confirming a polytheistic or atheistic position, and therefore he allows himself, wittingly or unwittingly, to be troubled by the disputes in the Torah. But if a person is sincere, and does not seek a pretense for an easier life (he does not “wish to err”) then he will never be misled by the Torah, since something that is one hundred percent truth cannot, by definition, mislead.
    (Based on Likutei Sichos vol. 14, pp. 151-2)

  5. dovi says:

    Notice how Rabbi Avtzon signs off his e-mail

    “Hatzlacha Rabbah! Moshiach Now!”

    Is that a polite way of saying “Kish en Toches”???
    He may have not used those exact words but thats the way he acted in reality.

    סוף מעשה במחשבה תחילה

  6. RamBam says:

    Halacha 1

    1. It is natural for a man’s character and actions to be influenced by his friends and associates and for him to follow the local norms of behavior. Therefore, he should associate with the righteous and be constantly in the company of the wise, so as to learn from their deeds. Conversely, he should keep away from the wicked who walk in darkness, so as not to learn from their deeds.

    This is [implied by] Solomon’s statement [Proverbs 13:20]: “He who walks with the wise will become wise, while one who associates with fools will suffer.” Similarly, [Psalms 1:1] states: “Happy is the man who has not followed the advice of the wicked.”

    A person who lives in a place where the norms of behavior are evil and the inhabitants do not follow the straight path should move to a place where the people are righteous and follow the ways of the good.

    If all the places with which he is familiar and of which he hears reports follow improper paths, as in our times, or if he is unable to move to a place where the patterns of behavior are proper, because of [the presence of] bands of raiding troops, or for health reasons, he should remain alone in seclusion as [Eichah 3:28] states: “Let him sit alone and be silent.”

    If they are wicked and sinful and do not allow him to reside there unless he mingle with them and follow their evil behavior, he should go out to caves, thickets, and deserts [rather than] follow the paths of sinners as [Jeremiah 9:1] states: “Who will give me a lodging place for wayfarers, in the desert.”

  7. antimesira says:

    If you want to know who a person is, just look at who his friends are!

    No excuse for stealing!
    No excuse for Mesira!

  8. Hypocrite says:

    on a person like Avtzon it says:

    רוממות אל בגרונם, וחרב פיפיות בידם

    “high praises of God in their mouth and a two-edged sword in their hands:”
    (Tehillim 149)

  9. Yeshiva closing down? says:

    word on the street is the Avtzons Yashiva is in big trouble, they invested in stocks and loosed.

    They are not sure the Yeshiva will be opening next year.

  10. faker says:

    why does this guy even put on tiffilin?

  11. “The question is a frightening one, because it turns the very things that most convince us into a reason for doubt. When we find a teacher inspiring and compelling, when we are enthused by people who seem spiritual and pious, how can we be sure that they are not just megalomaniac, demagogic charlatans who are playing on our vulnerability for their own selfish gain? Is there a way of ensuring that we do not become conned into accepting religious beliefs that are in fact false?”

  12. mechanich says:

    “In today’s culture, many of the “institutes of education” are actually “institutes of de-education.” While they impart to their students much important and necessary information, their underlying principle of moral relativism seeks to throw in doubt all the vital ethics which we strive to implant within our children. This destructive attitude, the notion that right and wrong are inherently subjective, is unfortunately prevalent and trendy throughout society”.

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